Thanks for the concern and advice. I have been looking things up on the internet. However, that leads me to have to look up more stuff. So, I have been looking and then looking some more.
On the light side, prior to my surgery, I spent 10 days in Thailand. I was really impressed by the country. The people are friendly and there is much to be seen. Since it is a 17 hour plane trip to get there, I know I won't be going again. I wish that it were a bit closer because once you get past the heat and humidity it is a truly nice place.
P.S. The surgery and the trip are not related. The surgery was performed in the U.S. and was not the result of anything that happened while I was on the trip.
I have not be able to be physically active lately. Therefore, I have had time to read the book that Tom recommended some time ago, BIAS. I would say that Bernard Goldberg definitely has an "issue" concerning Dan Rather. Dan Rather left CBS somewhat "disgraced." Can anyone remember the particulars.
I agree that the original story that Mr. Goldberg described about Forbes was biased and had no place in a news program. However, I believe because Mr. Goldberg has an issue with Dan Rather, Goldberg, may have become biased.
Coincidently, bored, with physical inactivity, I turned on the O'Reilly Factor last night, and who should be there but Bernard Goldberg. There he was again talking about Dan Rather. Guess Rather is suing CBS for $70M. When Goldberg was asked if he thought Rather could win, he said something to the effect that Dan is very charming and that his charm might just sway the jury.
My impression is that Mr. Goldberg is more to the right than he wants to admit.
Also, he had an interesting theory about why newcasters don't describe someone as liberal. Seems that since the newscasters are liberal their perception is that the liberal view is the middle of the road.
Tom, any comments about my view of the book. I have been using pain killers and my judgment might be a bit off. But, then again, you have said that I am a "liberal." :-)
Does anybody know where Pat Randall is? She hasn't been posting lately.
OK Tom, I will give your question a try. Among some conservatives liberal is a code word for communist, socialist, flag burning, baby killing, lacking family values, God hating, and basically un American person.
P.S. I don't think you fall in the category of conservative that uses "liberal" as a code word for communist, etc. :-)
Tom, I just got this "joke" from my old college bud. I guess she also feels that the news media is biased. Here goes
Sarah Palin is invited to meet with the Pope while he is vactioning in Venice.
The liberal press reluctantly watches the semi-private audience hoping they will be able to allot minimal coverage if any. The Pope askes Governor Palin to join him on a gondola ride through the canals of Venice.
They are admiring the sights and agreeing on moral issues when all of a sudden, the Pope's hat (zuccheto) blows off his head and out in the water. The gondolier starts to reach for the Pontiff's cap with his pole, but the move threatens to overturn the floating craft.
Sarah waves the guide off saying, "Wait, wait, I'll take care of this. Don't worry!"
She steps off the gondola onto the surface of the water and walks out to the Pope's hat, bends over and picks it up. she walks back across the water to the gondola and steps aboard. She hands the hat to the Pope amid stunned silence.
The next morning the topic of conversation among Democrats in Congress, CBS News, ABC News, CNN, MSNBC, the New York times, Hollywood celebrties, and in France and Germany is -- PALIN CAN'T SWIM --
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention my dear, dear college bud happens to be very, very right wing.--Sarah Palin walking on water????? Needless to say my friend will hear from me about this one!!!! :-)
Tom, what I read in today's Arizona Republic said that the housing market has not as yet reached bottom. How can Brian Williams report that the stock market is up when one day it is up and the next day it is down? Perhaps you missed his report of the day of upswing?
What you view as "homey" is really personal interest. I feel that most people recognize the story about "Joe the Plumber" or "Hazel the Hair Cutter" as personal interest. The "homey" story is just one story of one individual and how he/she is being affected by the big story (rising unemployment, falling stock market, etc.). I strongly believe, and ardently hope, that most people can differentiate between the hard news and the "homey" or personal interest.
Regarding CNN, I remember watching Mr. Independent, Lou Dobbs, a couple of weeks ago and coming away with the distinct feeling that he was preaching to the "right." I can't remember the specifics, but I will watch and see if I can catch it again. But then, perhaps he was just stating something on which his independent view happened to fall more to the right of center.
I will agree that news on TV has a much more "theatrical" approach than what is necessary. However, they are in a ratings race and sensationalism sells. In order to get the best price for commercials they must keep up their ratings. Have you watched PBS news? It is much more level headed.
Tom, I do not understand -- "And in this case on the media, it is the media, not the Democrats, who by and large are stating facts." Tom, you have said the media is biased, are you now saying they are reporting facts and the Democrats are not speaking the truth? What truth is the media reporting in your view that the Democrats are misstating?
You have recommended the BIAS book on earlier threads. I will continue to look for it. However, I am too cheap to purchase it so it will have to show up in the library. :-) Now since the author's experience was with CBS does he have enough hard evidence to extend his theory about bias to the other networks?
Tom, you do me an injustice. I am not some thoughtless "lefty." You have not gathered enough in depth information about me to make an informed conclusion on where I stand and I strongly suggest that you are making the mistake of rushing to a conclusion with insufficient evidence. I believe that just as there are people in the media who present the "left" view as news, there are also just as many who present the "right" view as news. Please listen to FOX some time with an unbiased viewpoint. Also, please read all the editorials. You will find that as many give a "right" view as give a "left" view. And, frankly, some on CNN are really to the right of "center." I agree that MSNBC is so far to the "left" that their reporting is almost a comedy. If you would trace back this accusation of "left" media, I believe the seed was planted by Spiro Agnew, and has continued to be used by the "right" whenever trying to strengthen their stance. I believe that this accusation of the media is a form of whining. I believe that this bias accusation is used whenever things are not going in a way favorable to whomever is making the accusation. Afterall, if you don't like what is being said called it "biased" and "unfair." However, the correct way to show that something is biased is to give hard facts that reveals the bias.
You cannot make the argument that the media is overstating bad economic news. Look at what has happened to the stock market, look at what has happened to your 401K, look at what has happened in the housing market, look at what has happened to the worldwide economy, look at the loss of jobs, look at the increase in applications for unemployment compensation. Now, all of this might be occurring because of "market manipulation" by "market manipulators", but it is happening.
Where are the hard facts that dispute the bad economic news?
Perhaps the accusation that should be made about the media is that they should be looking for the underlying cause of the economic downturn. For example, are the markets being manipulated? And, if they are who is doing the manipulation and how can it be stopped now and prevented in the future?
I agree that some reporters are over enthusiastic in their reporting and seem to take "pleasure" in reporting the latest bad news. Their demeanor might cause some small investors to over react, but has little effect on the big players.
21 November 2008 at 7:59 a.m.
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Thanks for the concern and advice. I have been looking things up on the internet. However, that leads me to have to look up more stuff. So, I have been looking and then looking some more.
On the light side, prior to my surgery, I spent 10 days in Thailand. I was really impressed by the country. The people are friendly and there is much to be seen. Since it is a 17 hour plane trip to get there, I know I won't be going again. I wish that it were a bit closer because once you get past the heat and humidity it is a truly nice place.
P.S. The surgery and the trip are not related. The surgery was performed in the U.S. and was not the result of anything that happened while I was on the trip.
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I have not be able to be physically active lately. Therefore, I have had time to read the book that Tom recommended some time ago, BIAS. I would say that Bernard Goldberg definitely has an "issue" concerning Dan Rather. Dan Rather left CBS somewhat "disgraced." Can anyone remember the particulars.
I agree that the original story that Mr. Goldberg described about Forbes was biased and had no place in a news program. However, I believe because Mr. Goldberg has an issue with Dan Rather, Goldberg, may have become biased.
Coincidently, bored, with physical inactivity, I turned on the O'Reilly Factor last night, and who should be there but Bernard Goldberg. There he was again talking about Dan Rather. Guess Rather is suing CBS for $70M. When Goldberg was asked if he thought Rather could win, he said something to the effect that Dan is very charming and that his charm might just sway the jury.
My impression is that Mr. Goldberg is more to the right than he wants to admit.
Also, he had an interesting theory about why newcasters don't describe someone as liberal. Seems that since the newscasters are liberal their perception is that the liberal view is the middle of the road.
Tom, any comments about my view of the book. I have been using pain killers and my judgment might be a bit off. But, then again, you have said that I am a "liberal." :-)
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29 October 2008 at 11:27 a.m.
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SantaBerry (Bernice Winandy) says…
I know I am not Cupid -- too old, but maybe cute enough. :-)
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29 October 2008 at 2:40 a.m.
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SantaBerry (Bernice Winandy) says…
Tom, I come with an olive branch in my hand.
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29 October 2008 at 2:38 a.m.
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SantaBerry (Bernice Winandy) says…
I have found Pat and she speaks in another thread.
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29 October 2008 at 2:30 a.m.
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SantaBerry (Bernice Winandy) says…
Does anybody know where Pat Randall is? She hasn't been posting lately.
OK Tom, I will give your question a try. Among some conservatives liberal is a code word for communist, socialist, flag burning, baby killing, lacking family values, God hating, and basically un American person.
P.S. I don't think you fall in the category of conservative that uses "liberal" as a code word for communist, etc. :-)
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Tom, I agree with Susan. Who has the time to count how many times someone is referred to as liberal or conservatiive.
You are asking baiting questions. Do you already have a preconceived idea of why someone might object to being called liberal?
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26 October 2008 at 8:30 p.m.
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Tom, I just got this "joke" from my old college bud. I guess she also feels that the news media is biased. Here goes
Sarah Palin is invited to meet with the Pope while he is vactioning in Venice.
The liberal press reluctantly watches the semi-private audience hoping they will be able to allot minimal coverage if any. The Pope askes Governor Palin to join him on a gondola ride through the canals of Venice.
They are admiring the sights and agreeing on moral issues when all of a sudden, the Pope's hat (zuccheto) blows off his head and out in the water. The gondolier starts to reach for the Pontiff's cap with his pole, but the move threatens to overturn the floating craft.
Sarah waves the guide off saying, "Wait, wait, I'll take care of this. Don't worry!"
She steps off the gondola onto the surface of the water and walks out to the Pope's hat, bends over and picks it up. she walks back across the water to the gondola and steps aboard. She hands the hat to the Pope amid stunned silence.
The next morning the topic of conversation among Democrats in Congress, CBS News, ABC News, CNN, MSNBC, the New York times, Hollywood celebrties, and in France and Germany is -- PALIN CAN'T SWIM --
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention my dear, dear college bud happens to be very, very right wing.--Sarah Palin walking on water????? Needless to say my friend will hear from me about this one!!!! :-)
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26 October 2008 at 7:53 p.m.
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Tom, what I read in today's Arizona Republic said that the housing market has not as yet reached bottom. How can Brian Williams report that the stock market is up when one day it is up and the next day it is down? Perhaps you missed his report of the day of upswing?
What you view as "homey" is really personal interest. I feel that most people recognize the story about "Joe the Plumber" or "Hazel the Hair Cutter" as personal interest. The "homey" story is just one story of one individual and how he/she is being affected by the big story (rising unemployment, falling stock market, etc.). I strongly believe, and ardently hope, that most people can differentiate between the hard news and the "homey" or personal interest.
Regarding CNN, I remember watching Mr. Independent, Lou Dobbs, a couple of weeks ago and coming away with the distinct feeling that he was preaching to the "right." I can't remember the specifics, but I will watch and see if I can catch it again. But then, perhaps he was just stating something on which his independent view happened to fall more to the right of center.
I will agree that news on TV has a much more "theatrical" approach than what is necessary. However, they are in a ratings race and sensationalism sells. In order to get the best price for commercials they must keep up their ratings. Have you watched PBS news? It is much more level headed.
Tom, I do not understand --
"And in this case on the media, it is the media, not the Democrats, who by and large are stating facts." Tom, you have said the media is biased, are you now saying they are reporting facts and the Democrats are not speaking the truth? What truth is the media reporting in your view that the Democrats are misstating?
You have recommended the BIAS book on earlier threads. I will continue to look for it. However, I am too cheap to purchase it so it will have to show up in the library. :-) Now since the author's experience was with CBS does he have enough hard evidence to extend his theory about bias to the other networks?
Are you getting hot under the collar?
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Tom, you do me an injustice. I am not some thoughtless "lefty." You have not gathered enough in depth information about me to make an informed conclusion on where I stand and I strongly suggest that you are making the mistake of rushing to a conclusion with insufficient evidence. I believe that just as there are people in the media who present the "left" view as news, there are also just as many who present the "right" view as news. Please listen to FOX some time with an unbiased viewpoint. Also, please read all the editorials. You will find that as many give a "right" view as give a "left" view. And, frankly, some on CNN are really to the right of "center." I agree that MSNBC is so far to the "left" that their reporting is almost a comedy. If you would trace back this accusation of "left" media, I believe the seed was planted by Spiro Agnew, and has continued to be used by the "right" whenever trying to strengthen their stance. I believe that this accusation of the media is a form of whining. I believe that this bias accusation is used whenever things are not going in a way favorable to whomever is making the accusation. Afterall, if you don't like what is being said called it "biased" and "unfair." However, the correct way to show that something is biased is to give hard facts that reveals the bias.
You cannot make the argument that the media is overstating bad economic news. Look at what has happened to the stock market, look at what has happened to your 401K, look at what has happened in the housing market, look at what has happened to the worldwide economy, look at the loss of jobs, look at the increase in applications for unemployment compensation. Now, all of this might be occurring because of "market manipulation" by "market manipulators", but it is happening.
Where are the hard facts that dispute the bad economic news?
Perhaps the accusation that should be made about the media is that they should be looking for the underlying cause of the economic downturn. For example, are the markets being manipulated? And, if they are who is doing the manipulation and how can it be stopped now and prevented in the future?
I agree that some reporters are over enthusiastic in their reporting and seem to take "pleasure" in reporting the latest bad news. Their demeanor might cause some small investors to over react, but has little effect on the big players.
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