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After reading tonights paper, I am sure the Postive Behaviour and Intervention Program is not working. When a school employee, bus driver, grabs a 12 year old girl and shoves her off the bus, something is wrong with the hiring system. Grabbing a hold of her could be called sexual harrassment by a good attorney. As for the bus driver having the right to impose dicipline the same as a parent. Do I have news for him. If a parent grabbed their child around the neck and shoved them out of a car, CPS would be all over them.
Pat, just a healthy question, not an attack. You state what happened. Were you there? If you were on a witness stand, would any of these statements be allowed as evidence? Please try to think about it.
Have you ever heard of false accusation? It is way more common among schoolchildren than the other. And you really should read the laws on sexual harassment. They are as misunderstood as the separation of church and state. The last time I attempted to teach reading at a Tucson middle school, I filled my classroom up with books, including a Bible or two. Children yelled at me, "You can't bring that in here."
My answer, "Yes I can. I just did it." The vice principal came in one day and said, "I hear you have a Bible in here." I answered, "I do, more than one and I have a Koran, too." He said, "Oh," and slinked away.
Whatever the driver did or did not do is not for us to say. But I can assure you that even if he did what you accuse him of, it was not sexual just because she was a girl anymore than if it had been a boy he would have been doing something pedophilic.
This does not mean that I disagree with your original statement about conditions at our schools. Did you read the recent letter by the social worker[s] about what is really happening here, maybe or maybe not at school? Just go spend some time in a middle school classroom; you are allowed if you check in. I used to beg parents to come to class and see what their little darlings are really like at school.
What concerns me more is the pink blanket recently pulled over reality by our new supt. I will say it again: generally, school administrators are cowardly politicians who suck up to the local big shot parents and try to assure us that everything is hunky dory.
Good response, Pat. You already know about trusting what you read in the papers. For instance, their reporting of the vet shooting. Both parroted the official version; the Gazette stated in declarative sentences [as if describing fact] what the shooting victim had done.
As far as I can tell, no reporter was present to witness either incident.
I have been waiting to see whether there is any embarrassed acknowledgment by either rag, but it seems silence is the game so far.
Maybe they hope that the story, unlike the victim, will quietly die. What do you think? Many questions need to be and will be asked in the appropriate manner. Does TOP have a citizen's review board, for instance? Will the DPS investigation be made public? You have the inquiring mind;how about stepping up for this one? There is a good letter in this week's Gazette which should stimulate some constructive thinking on this and future incidents.
I wrote a very good article on a recent suicide to the Gazette when I was working for them, but they did not run it. Wonder why. Maybe too serious. Maybe minimizing it will make the subject and the lady go away.
Did you see reports with video of the recent bus incident in the Valley? I knew a lady bus driver in the Tucson area who, after her first run, parked her bus at the side of the road, put her head on the steering wheel and cried.
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Posted by patrandall (pat Randall) on January 15, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
After reading tonights paper, I am sure the Postive Behaviour and Intervention Program is not working.
When a school employee, bus driver, grabs a 12 year old girl and shoves her off the bus, something is wrong with the hiring system. Grabbing a hold of her could be called sexual harrassment by a good attorney. As for the bus driver having the right to impose dicipline the same as a parent.
Do I have news for him. If a parent grabbed their child around the neck and shoved them out of a car, CPS would be all over them.
Posted by miguel (Paul Hutchison) on February 6, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pat, just a healthy question, not an attack. You state what happened. Were you there? If you were on a witness stand, would any of these statements be allowed as evidence? Please try to think about it.
Have you ever heard of false accusation? It is way more common among schoolchildren than the other. And you really should read the laws on sexual harassment. They are as misunderstood as the separation of church and state. The last time I attempted to teach reading at a Tucson middle school, I filled my classroom up with books, including a Bible or two. Children yelled at me, "You can't bring that in here."
My answer, "Yes I can. I just did it." The vice principal came in one day and said, "I hear you have a Bible in here." I answered, "I do, more than one and I have a Koran, too." He said, "Oh," and slinked away.
Whatever the driver did or did not do is not for us to say. But I can assure you that even if he did what you accuse him of, it was not sexual just because she was a girl anymore than if it had been a boy he would have been doing something pedophilic.
This does not mean that I disagree with your original statement about conditions at our schools. Did you read the recent letter by the social worker[s] about what is really happening here, maybe or maybe not at school? Just go spend some time in a middle school classroom; you are allowed if you check in. I used to beg parents to come to class and see what their little darlings are really like at school.
What concerns me more is the pink blanket recently pulled over reality by our new supt. I will say it again: generally, school administrators are cowardly politicians who suck up to the local big shot parents and try to assure us that everything is hunky dory.
Where does AZ currently rank among the states?
Posted by patrandall (pat Randall) on February 6, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Paul,
I stated what was in the paper, which I seldom do, and now I got caught. (:
Posted by miguel (Paul Hutchison) on March 2, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good response, Pat. You already know about trusting what you read in the papers. For instance, their reporting of the vet shooting. Both parroted the official version; the Gazette stated in declarative sentences [as if describing fact] what the shooting victim had done.
As far as I can tell, no reporter was present to witness either incident.
I have been waiting to see whether there is any embarrassed acknowledgment by either rag, but it seems silence is the game so far.
Maybe they hope that the story, unlike the victim, will quietly die. What do you think? Many questions need to be and will be asked in the appropriate manner. Does TOP have a citizen's review board, for instance? Will the DPS investigation be made public? You have the inquiring mind;how about stepping up for this one? There is a good letter in this week's Gazette which should stimulate some constructive thinking on this and future incidents.
I wrote a very good article on a recent suicide to the Gazette when I was working for them, but they did not run it. Wonder why. Maybe too serious. Maybe minimizing it will make the subject and the lady go away.
Did you see reports with video of the recent bus incident in the Valley? I knew a lady bus driver in the Tucson area who, after her first run, parked her bus at the side of the road, put her head on the steering wheel and cried.
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